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"DAVID MIERS is reported to be in the top 10 cage fighters in Gosford. He has some serious dish washing skills and thinks that Elizabeth Bennet is hot. Although he thinks that his wife Rowena is hotter. David works in youth ministry for a great church. Likes to: speak in third person, watch and play soccer, eat food and surf the web. He has never watched Star Wars."

Youth Ministry: Online Lectures

Covenant Seminary (h/t CraigS) have youth ministry training as part of their MDiv. It looks like some really good gear. They have a whole semester class online for free. Today I listened to the introduction class and the first lecture (they even have the class handout online too). I appreciate the teaching from Mark Davis and plan on listening to the whole of the semester over the coming months. There's also a stack of online resources worth checking out.

In the first lecture it's interesting to hear again some of the history of youth ministry, and to hear how Mark became a Christian through the relational ministry of some young life leaders. The guys that helped to introduce Mark to Jesus were effective in getting him involved in church life. The challenge for para-church organisations like Young Life is how they can hook people into local churches. If para-church movements can't move people into churches they are ineffective if those students graduate from their program and Christianity.

Is anybody intersted in listening to these lectures with me?

Yes? Have a listen to the lecture 1 and leave your comments below...

No? Have you been involved in para-church ministry? What's your experience?

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  • Blogger SamR says so:
    Wednesday, September 27, 2006 9:09:00 am  

    I will have a listen to that - we're about to start youth ministry here in Annandale - which is very exciting. I'll post some thoughts when I get a chance.
    Marty and Liam are such good looking guys! top

  • Blogger David says so:
    Wednesday, September 27, 2006 9:36:00 am  

    Marty and Liam are such good looking guys!
    pity about the guy in the middle... top

  • Blogger David says so:
    Wednesday, September 27, 2006 9:38:00 am  

    hey sam.
    glad you're keen to have a listen... and look forward to hearing how things go with kicking off a youth ministry.

    what's the demographic in the area? are there many teenagers? top

  • Blogger SamR says so:
    Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:54:00 am  

    Well, we have a quite number of older primary school kids already at church with us at Christians in the Media, and a small number of teenagers around the edges of our kids programs - so we've got a start. And with even one kid you've got something to work with.
    As far as the demographic of the suburb - I think there are plenty around From living here for almost a year now, I see teenagers everywhere - and none of the other churches in Annandale are running anything to reach them. So pray for Soph and I as we head this up next year! top

  • Blogger David says so:
    Thursday, September 28, 2006 8:45:00 am  

    that's really exciting to be starting a new venture in town. i pray that teenagers would hear the truth, cross over from death 2 life, and then live the truth. top

  • Anonymous Anonymous says so:
    Friday, September 29, 2006 10:23:00 am  

    Had a listen to this lecture this morning. A few of my reflections:
    The godly life of the youth leader is so key. It was in my coming to Christ too.
    It's interesting too how the position of 'youth pastor' is often viewed as the 'entry level' position. That's incredibly sad.
    David - did you do any formal 'youth training before starting with CCEC? Do you think it's as important as he made out to have formal training?
    Also interesting how many seminaries there must be in America - Praise God that we have some faithful colleges in Sydney. top

  • Blogger David says so:
    Friday, September 29, 2006 11:35:00 am  

    The godly life of the youth leader is so key. It was in my coming to Christ too.

    absolutely. i often reflect on the pastoral epistles and the weight that paul gives to godly characteristics before skills.

    It's interesting too how the position of 'youth pastor' is often viewed as the 'entry level' position. That's incredibly sad.

    in the usa - guys are more likeyl to see it as something to pursue full-time long-term... i would love to see that more in australia.

    David - did you do any formal 'youth training before starting with CCEC?

    i've been at ccec since i was in yr12 (1998). so no.
    i did mts in 04/05
    i'm the asst yth minister in 06/07
    and plan on doing college in 08-11.
    but i'm not planning on doing youth training... i go to conferences and am keen to keep thinking theologically about youth minstry... but think that doing the same training as the senior minister is important if the profile of youth ministry is to be raised. that's why youthworks college seems to go against what it is trying to do!

    Do you think it's as important as he made out to have formal training?

    theological training is super-important... but at the same time you can have people who are equipped theologically but are ungodly wretches... so godliness is the training that matter!

    you can do any ministry without formal training...
    but maybe for the long haul it's good to have taken time to be theologically equipped? top

  • Anonymous Anonymous says so:
    Friday, September 29, 2006 12:06:00 pm  

    Sure, I'm all for theological training - after MTS thats certainly our hope. I was more referring to the specific youth trainning that he was talking about. top

  • Anonymous Marty says so:
    Sunday, October 22, 2006 5:02:00 pm  

    Hey Champion!!

    I can't believe I made the cut for your blog!! Trine will never believe this one...

    love ya mate!!
    Marty top